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March 1, 2013
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Ari Davidson said

wado1942 said 

My fear would be that not having hundreds of millions of pixels will make people not take it seriously…

[edit] For the record, though, I'd rather have a D16 ;)

I think the biggest issue the public would have is DoF greater than 1" and the inability to use EF lenses. 

Ouch. So hurtful. But so true.

March 2, 2013
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hieber said
Hello joe, 

 

Since I didn't get a reply in the other thread I thought Id try here.

Could we get a status update?

Where are you guys in the process?

Are you still thinking that the cameras will ship Q1 this year?  

Hi Joe/Elle,

 

Hope all's going well, its soon approaching the end of Q1 and I'm wondering where we're up to with footage and shipping dates.

As previously mentioned I have nearly finished the screenplay I'm writing and will soon be looking to shoot with the D16, a good estimate would be helpful so I can plan ahead.

 

Little concerned that there's a lot of talk about lenses, lens mounts and now D35 etc with no fixed date on the camera or footage. I understand there has been delays and am happier with the end result of the D16, would be nice if we could stay on track with the D16 and forget about everything else (for now). When the D16 arrives this whole forum is going to be full of the backers (including me) testing and giving their experience and insight into the camera, firmware and its right and wrongs.

 

Not meaning to cause trouble here just looking for some confirmed dates or estimates, no mater how soon or far away they are.

March 3, 2013
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Jade Lane said Little concerned that there's a lot of talk about lenses, lens mounts and now D35 etc with no fixed date on the camera or footage. I understand there has been delays and am happier with the end result of the D16, would be nice if we could stay on track with the D16 and forget about everything else (for now). When the D16 arrives this whole forum is going to be full of the backers (including me) testing and giving their experience and insight into the camera, firmware and its right and wrongs.

Not meaning to cause trouble here just looking for some confirmed dates or estimates, no mater how soon or far away they are.

Hi Jade, Please don't be concerned. The lenses are being made by Kish in LA and in no way what so ever slow down the progress of the D16. And literally the only person "working" on the D35 is me, and all I am doing is researching S35 sensors when I have the time (which is not right now). 

We are very close to getting footage with essentially a production model D16, as soon as we have it I will post it here for all to see in raw.

We are still hoping to deliver cameras this quarter. We are really really close. I am doing all I can to understand time lines and let people know as much as possible, but a solid date is just not available right now. We have all of the electronics assembled and working in unison, but there is an issue with the image path in the FPGA, we are diligently working through it, every day there are small but meaningful victories. Sometime soon we will get footage. We are doing our best. 

Please be just a little more patient with us. Thank you all for your support and patience.    Joe

March 3, 2013
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In all honesty, when I look at the trouble BM is having, now with the flange distance, I think you need to do quite some testing with prototypes. There are always unexpected obstacles.

 

"Überraschung findet stets dann statt,

wenn man sie nicht erwartet hat"

(Wilhelm Busch)

"Surprise always happens when you didn't expect it" or, to keep the rhyme:

"Surprise is always happening,

when you didn't expect a thing"

March 4, 2013
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joerubinstein said

Jade Lane said Little concerned that there's a lot of talk about lenses, lens mounts and now D35 etc with no fixed date on the camera or footage. I understand there has been delays and am happier with the end result of the D16, would be nice if we could stay on track with the D16 and forget about everything else (for now). When the D16 arrives this whole forum is going to be full of the backers (including me) testing and giving their experience and insight into the camera, firmware and its right and wrongs.

Not meaning to cause trouble here just looking for some confirmed dates or estimates, no mater how soon or far away they are.

Hi Jade, Please don't be concerned. The lenses are being made by Kish in LA and in no way what so ever slow down the progress of the D16. And literally the only person "working" on the D35 is me, and all I am doing is researching S35 sensors when I have the time (which is not right now). 

We are very close to getting footage with essentially a production model D16, as soon as we have it I will post it here for all to see in raw.

We are still hoping to deliver cameras this quarter. We are really really close. I am doing all I can to understand time lines and let people know as much as possible, but a solid date is just not available right now. We have all of the electronics assembled and working in unison, but there is an issue with the image path in the FPGA, we are diligently working through it, every day there are small but meaningful victories. Sometime soon we will get footage. We are doing our best. 

Please be just a little more patient with us. Thank you all for your support and patience.    Joe

Great thanks for the reassurance Joe, building a system around the D16 now and upgrading all my equipment to accommodate (apart from my collection of rare C-mount lenses that are patiently waiting for the D16) can't wait.

March 4, 2013
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Thyl said
In all honesty, when I look at the trouble BM is having, now with the flange distance, I think you need to do quite some testing with prototypes. There are always unexpected obstacles. (end of quote)

 

true. And there are a couple of other problems that may occur. Reading the Red or BMC forum, horror stories like complete failure of the camera are not rare. That's one reason I kept my money and just wait for technology to become reliable. I don't have money for a backup camera, and live/work in Europe. A failure would be a terrible thing for me, sending the camera to the US and waiting for months.

To be honest, I expect the d16 to be fully operational in 2014/15. And I'm not pessimistic at all. I just see what happens with new digital cinema cameras in general. One may be lucky and have no problems at all with the first version. I hope that will be the case for all d16 owners. But it's only hope, not assurance.

March 5, 2013
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Even if I trust the D16 team honest willingness to come up with a mature product off the shelf, I'm also wondering what the guarantee is that the first batch of D16 is perfectly functional and reliable… it seems very difficult to forecast as there are so many aspects playing together.

March 6, 2013
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Even if I trust the D16 team honest willingness to come up with a mature product off the shelf, I'm also wondering what the guarantee is that the first batch of D16 is perfectly functional and reliable.

We are going to be testing the cameras as thoroughly as possible. We will not release a camera that does not perform to an acceptable level. We have come too far and worked too hard to intentionally hurt our brand in that way.

 

If we wanted to take short cuts and just get something out we probably could have done that by now. We are working hard to build this the right way. It is taking longer, but hopefully it will work reliably. 

March 6, 2013
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joerubinstein said

pask74 said
Even if I trust the D16 team honest willingness to come up with a mature product off the shelf, I'm also wondering what the guarantee is that the first batch of D16 is perfectly functional and reliable.

We are going to be testing the cameras as thoroughly as possible. We will not release a camera that does not perform to an acceptable level. We have come too far and worked too hard to intentionally hurt our the brand in that way.

 

If we wanted to take short cuts and just get something out we probably could have done that by now. We are working hard to build this the right way. It is taking longer, but hopefully it will work reliably. 

I'm sure the camera will be worth the wait! I appreciate all the hard work everyone is doing to make this camera happen.

March 6, 2013
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joerubinstein said

We are going to be testing the cameras as thoroughly as possible. We will not release a camera that does not perform to an acceptable level. We have come too far and worked too hard to intentionally hurt our brand in that way.

 

If we wanted to take short cuts and just get something out we probably could have done that by now. We are working hard to build this the right way. It is taking longer, but hopefully it will work reliably. 

That sounds completely in line with your philosophy so far, great.

I'm just wondering how much one can possibly test all aspects of such a product before it is honestly considered "ready to ship". Some more long-term problems may arise down the road?

 

March 7, 2013
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Yeah there is always the possibility for long term products, but we are doing everything we can to avoid them.

July 5, 2013
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Joe,

 

I would really like to know what's the ETA on this. It's past the spring deadline, and there's still no word what's the new target delivery date. There is talk about everything else BUT the delivery.

Could you please let us camera backers know. Thanks.

July 8, 2013
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Javed said
Joe,

 

I would really like to know what's the ETA on this. It's past the spring deadline, and there's still no word what's the new target delivery date. There is talk about everything else BUT the delivery.

Could you please let us camera backers know. Thanks.

Hello Javed,

 

   Sorry for the lack of communication, we have said a few times on Ustream, and Facebook, but we haven't had an official post about it yet. We will be delivering the kickstarter cameras in August, and have a new pre-sale shortly after. I'll do a blog post about our progress very soon.

 

Thanks for your patience,   Joe

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